I am building your B-17. I am an experienced RC model designer, builder and retired aero eng from
McDonnell Douglas in St. Louis, MO.
So far I have had no problems but I have noticed that the aft fuselage is really wobbly compared to the
rest of the kit. ...I wonder is this is normal? In pitch it is stiff enough of course.
From : Don Stackhouse
Yes. On slow models like this you can get away with quite a bit that would
not work on faster, heavier models.
The very first RK Series Lockheed Electra used a 1/16" balsa fuselage and
about the same sized elevator joiner as the earlier RK models. Joe and I
have a little adage: "Try it the easy way first, you can always make it
heavier and more complicated later." The first Electra did not get the same
elevator deflections on both elevator halves in flight because the air
loads on one elevator half could twist the elevator joiner in the load path
from the elevator to the control horn mounted on the other half. This
created an aileron effect in the elevators. With that huge horizontal tail,
that could put quite a bit of torsional load on the aft fuselage. It was
not unusual to see the tail assembly banked 20 degrees or more relative to
the rest of the airplane!
This was quite scary to watch, but it had absolutely no noticeable effect
in the handling of the plane. No funny quirks, no noticeable coupling
between pitch and yaw, nothing. Nada. Period. The airplane flew and handled
absolutely magnificently. However, watching the tail doing aerobatics by
itself while the rest of the plane was flying straight and level was more
than a little disconcerting. In the production versions we stiffened up the
entire tail assembly, drastically increased the size of the joiner and went
to thicker balsa for the fuselage.
I am afraid that the fuselage will break in the area of the side gunners cutout when subjected to the stress of
a less than perfect flight or landing.
That's definitely not where it breaks.
The prototype B-17, the one in the box cover photos, has been officially
retired due to wear and tear (although I have not yet removed anything, and
it could be flown in its present condition). It's been flown head-on into
concrete block walls at cruise speed and power, crashed by radio problems
vertically into concrete-backed Astro Turf (some prankish spectator had
partially unscrewed the antenna on the transmitter while we weren't
looking!), been in the back of a car that was rear-ended on the interstate,
and generally has been thoroughly abused. It's been repaired so many times
that portions of it now qualify as a composite material composed of
cellulose fibers in a cyanoacrylate matrix (which, BTW, is a very brittle
material!). It has never broken at the waist gunner windows, not even any
hints of incipient cracks. Where it can break is along the joint between
the front and rear fuselage sections, just ahead of the trailing edge of
the wing. A patch about 1" of 1 or 2 ounce fiberglass on both sides, from
about 1" in front to about 1" aft of the joint, applied with laminating
epoxy or water-based urethane varnish such as Varathane might be helpful in
this area.
>I am considering laminating a 1/64 inch plywood strip that is about 1/2 wide on either side of the fuselage
starting just forward of the trailing edge of the wing to just aft of the leading edge of the
>horizontal tail to stiffen the fuselage. Another approach would be to put the strip at right
angles to the fuse to get the higher moment of inertia of the section that would result. I would use carbon fiber but
don't have any (typical engineering decision)!
I'd recommend against that. It's just going to add unnecessary weight. It's
also going to create some stress concentrations right where the fuselage is
most likely to break.
We kept an eye on the flexibility issue when we designed and tested the big
Boeing, and if it had needed to be stiffer, we would have used thicker
balsa for the fuselage. Yes, if you pay attention you can see it move
around a little on the ground, and to a lesser extent during large control
inputs in flight. However (as someone like yourself, familiar with large
aircraft stuctures such as wings for airliners, should certainly
appreciate), "flexible" is definitely not the same thing as "weak" when it
comes to aircraft structures. The big factor involving stiffness is of
course flutter, and we have not had flutter problems with the Boeing. The
loads in flight on the tail are really not all that high, and the
flexibility of the aft fuselage has not been a problem. Adding a lot of
unnecessary extra weight to the tail will hurt performance, control
response and dynamic stability, but will not solve any problems that need
solving.
Excellent question, definitely worth asking, but in this case we have
considered (and tested) this whole issue, and the plane is fine as-is. Keep
it light back there.
Don Stackhouse
DJ Aerotech
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